Judgment of the Court (Second Chamber) of 19 December 2024.#RL and QS v Bundesrepublik Deutschland.#Requests for a preliminary ruling from the Oberverwaltungsgericht für das Land Nordrhein-Westfalen.#Reference for a preliminary ruling – Asylum policy – Regulation (EU) No 604/2013 – Article 3(2) – Transfer of the asylum seeker to the Member State responsible for examining the application for international protection – Article 4 of the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union – Risk of inhuman or degrading treatment – Evidence and standard of proof of the real risk of inhuman or degrading treatment, resulting from systemic flaws in the asylum procedure and in the reception conditions for applicants in the Member State responsible – Suspension, by the Member State responsible, of the taking charge of and taking back of asylum seekers.#Joined Cases C-185/24 and C-189/24.