OFFICE OF THE HEAD OF MISSION
Press and Public Information Unit
Vreme, 14 February 2008
Interview with Ambassador Hans Ola Urstad, Head of the OSCE Mission to Serbia (translation)
MALADMINISTRATION IS A FERTILE SOIL FOR CORRUPTION
“I wouldn’t accuse the state for everything. Money is needed everywhere, and money is present in limited amounts. How much the state will allocate to the social sector, or hospitals, or some other sectors – this is always a political dilemma. It is not the unwillingness of the state to support the work of anti-corruption institutions, some Ministries are very committed to working with these institutions.”
A Norwegian Hans Ola Urstad has been in Serbia for many years now, first as a Norwegian Ambassador in Belgrade since 2001, and for the last two years as the Head of the OSCE Mission to Serbia and Montenegro first, and then Serbia. As the Head of Mission, his job is to help in the building of independent and efficient democratic institutions, in particular in the fields of rule of law, human rights, media, police, economy and environment. The subject of the interview with the Ambassador was corruption. When he was asked to comment on the situation in the most of anti-corruption institutions which are facing huge problems, i.e. lack of elementary premises for their work. Hans Ola Urstad explained that the key point is the political will to have strong and independent institutions for fight against corruption. “Most of the institutions in the region have more or less the same problems, not adequate status, not enough funds, they are understaffed or their existence depends on political decisions. Some of them have been recently established, some changed the status and became the part of ministries, in some countries the role of the Commission is stronger then the role of the Public Procurement Office, etc. But most of the bodies, despite difficulties they encounter, continue to work hard and make efforts to establish and implement anti-corruption mechanisms”.
VREME: In some of the anti-corruption institutions which have this problem with insufficient number of staff they say that those who are qualified will not work for such small salaries, as there is a lot of pressure at these positions.
You are right, but this is not the only field in which we have problems with salaries, especially in the public sector. Also, this problem is not present only in Serbia, it exists in my country as well. There are no unemployed there, and everybody is looking for qualified workforce. For this reason, private companies always pay more than the state. People come to these institutions and after a year or two they leave, as they can sometimes earn double at other positions.
VREME: And working in these institutions is difficult.
Yes, because you are constantly exposed to criticism and political pressure.
VREME: How would you assess the relationship of Serbian authorities towards anti-corruption institutions, particularly the Public Procurement Office, Commission for Protection of Rights, the Republic Commissioner for the Information of Public Importance and the Ombudsperson.
In Serbia, there are about 12.000 purchasing entities, so the sufficient number of staff of the Office and the Commission and adequate premises are of crucial importance for their work. These are necessary prerequisites to have independent and strong institutions. The Mission has supported the Office and the Commission since their establishment by e.g. advising and assisting in drafting legislation, supporting capacity building activities, organising regional gathering of the public procurement bodies, etc.
The appointment of an Ombudsperson last year offered Serbia an additional opportunity to fight corruption effectively. Though the Protector of Citizens does not have a specific mandate on this issue, his work against maladministration can be instrumental in reducing the cracks in the system that allowed corruption to spread so much. Maladministration is a fertile soil for corruption. If we want to transform this opportunity into concrete results, we need to give the Ombudsperson the resources to produce them, starting from human resources. Let me highlight in this regards that the deadline for the appointment of the Deputy Ombudspersons has expired on 20 December 2007 and the Parliament has not yet appointed them. Our Mission is currently the main partner of the Protector of Citizens in building the capacity of his office.
The relationship between the Serbian authorities and the Commissioner for Information of Public Importance can be viewed from two angles. The Serbian Parliament sent a clear signal of good will when it set out the necessary preconditions for the founding of this important institution by adopting the Law on Free Access to information of Public Importance. On the other hand, considerable research, including by the OSCE Mission, on the issue of free access to information has revealed a series of problems in implementation of this law, especially of the Commissioner’s decisions. Another problem the Commissioner is facing is the lack of capacity for more efficient work and further development of this institution. Primarily, there is an issue of too small office space, which should be solved urgently. This hampers employment of new people in the institution and improvement of its operation. The Commissioner is a good example of the Serbian authorities’ approach to the so-called “fourth branch of power”, but institutions
2 such as the Ombudsperson, the Anti-Corruption Council and other anti-corruption bodies are facing similar problems.
VREME: So, what could we single out as the biggest problem: is it the lack of will on the part of the state to support the work of these institutions, or is it that the regulations are not good…
I wouldn’t accuse the state for everything. Money is needed everywhere, and money is present in limited quantities. How much the state will allocate to the social sector, or hospitals, or some other sectors – this is always a political dilemma. It is not the unwillingness of the state to support the work of anti-corruption institutions, some Ministries are very committed to working with these institutions.
VREME: Is the OSCE facing problems with state institutions?
We have very good cooperation with almost everybody. We can meet the Ministers whenever there is a need for this, it is often once in a week, or once in two weeks. These are, for example, Minister of Justice, Minister of Interior and others.
VREME: Your assessment of the implementation of public procurement in Serbia.
Since its establishment in 2002, the public procurement system is in constant process of improving. The Government recently adopted the new Public Procurement Draft Law to be presented to Parliament. This draft introduces enhanced accountability and transparency of the system by means of a more effective protection of rights. The Commission for Protection of Rights has been elevated to the status of independent and accountable body. The members of the Commission are appointed directly by the Assembly and its decisions can now be appealed with the administrative court procedure. In the 2002 Law the Commission is part of the Public Procurement Office, appointed by the Government and its decisions cannot be appealed. The position of the Commission envisaged in the Draft Law is in line with EU Directives on public procurement.
The Role of the Public Procurement Office is also improved. The new law introduces the institute of Public Procurement Officer tasked with performing the public procurement activities within purchasing entities. This is in line with the recommendation stated in the GRECO (Group of States against Corruption) 2006 Evaluation Report on the Republic of Serbia that highlighted the importance of appropriate training for civil servants involved in procurement process and will put a ground for an increase of professionalism and a reduction of irregularities. At the same time, the risk of corruption would be lowered significantly by making public procurement staff more competent and independent. Furthermore, the new training system harmonized with EU standards would serve as a base for establishing a system of the public procurement staff career development scheme based on merits.
3 VREME: In which field are the problems particularly strong, where is the corruption most prevalent?
Regardless of the field where the corruption problems are particularly strong, Serbia has to have independent institutions which will fight against corruption at all levels. All three branches of power: legislative, executive and judicial should contribute to the fight against corruption. Serbia adopted the National Strategy for Combating Corruption in December 2005, the Serbian Government adopted the Action Plan for the implementation of Strategy in December 2006 and these documents provide a solid and sustainable legal framework to combat corruption.
VREME: In which way is the OSCE Mission to Serbia assisting in the fight against corruption?
The main area is legislative activity, meaning providing assistance and expertise to Serbian authorities in legislation drafting, supporting the efforts of domestic authorities to improve the efficiency, quality, and fairness of Serbia’s laws and regulations, capacity building of the institutions set to fight corruption (Public Procurement Office, Commission for Protection of Rights, Republic Board for Resolving Conflict of Interest, etc.), organising training seminars at the local level, enhancing regional co-operation and exchange of experience of the anti-corruption bodies, supporting awareness-raising campaigns with NGO sector, translating and publishing books targeting corrupting, etc.
VREME: What are the most important goals in the upcoming period in Serbia that need to be accomplished in the fight against corruption?
First of all, the necessary framework for the existing institutions fighting corruption needs to be completed, and means provided so that they could truly implement their role and mandate. This means enough funds, adequate premises and qualified staff.
Also, the adoption of the law on establishing the anti-corruption body, an obligation stemming from the National Strategy for Combating Corruption, needs to materialise. As said above, adequate support and sufficient means should be provided to implement the obligations under the law.
The Mission is ready to continue to support Serbia and its institutions to reach these goals and implement their responsible mandates.
VREME: What are the biggest OSCE Mission successes in 2007?
In order to contribute to better implementation of the public procurement system in Serbia, the Mission jointly organised with the Public Procurement Office a pilot project “Raising Professionalism in Public Procurement in Serbia: Introduction of Certification System in Public Procurement Procedures”. The project was based on the European standards and practice. Presently in Serbia there is no regular system of training in the
4 public procurement area. That opens a door for irregular implementation of the Public Procurement Law and increases dependency of the public procurement staff on politics.
The public procurement staff did not have proper training and certificates that would qualify them to the positions within public procurement units and the result was frequent replacement of the staff. At the same time, the risk of corruption is lowered significantly by making public procurement staff more competent and independent. Furthermore, the aim of the new training system harmonized with EU standards was to serve as a model envisaged in the new Public Procurement Law and a base for establishing a system of the staff career development scheme based on merits instead of loyalty to the superiors.
The Public Procurement Office initiated a process of establishing a standardized, internationally harmonized programme of training of public procurement officials in Serbia, as a first step toward introducing professionalism in this area. The seminar had three levels (modules): M1 (basic), M2 (intermediate) and M3 (advanced). About 60 officers from the purchasing entities attended the seminar.
We believe that the success of the pilot project contributed towards the introduction of professional requirements for procurement officials as envisaged in the new Draft Public Procurement Law described above.
VREME: You were speaking about the successes. What are the problems you are facing in your work here?
It’s difficult to point out things we have not done. We have limited resources and 175 employees. There are sectors where we could have had more success, such as media sector. They are perhaps still not where they should be. We criticised many of the media for publishing some really grotesque pictures which exceed the line of decency. Whether our efforts in this area had any effect – this can be discussed.
In the sector of the rule of law, we have a stable progress owing to the good cooperation we have with the Ministry of Justice. Also, we have a very close cooperation with the police almost on a daily basis, in the first place in the field of education.
VREME: This must be a difficult job in Serbia, taking into consideration its past.
It is, but we are very satisfied with the reaction to the education they get. Now we have three new forensic laboratories - in Nis, Novi Sad and Belgrade, which are equipped with the most advanced devices that help them get more reliable evidence. The police is very willing to cooperate. During the Milosevic’s rule, will for education and cooperation was missing.
VREME: How would you assess regulations, i.e. legislation in Serbia at this moment -– are they good?
5 This is still a transition country and there is lot to be changed and done in many sectors, but it is certainly on the road to establish practise that we would like to see here. We have a lot more to do, but we are working together with the Government, we are doing what we can to the extent possible, as we are present in Serbia for a limited period of time. When this time expires, we will leave.
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KANCELARIJA PORTPAROLA
Vreme, 14. februar 2008. godine
Intervju sa ambassadorom Hans Ola Urstadom, šefom Misije OEBS u Srbiji
Norvežanin Hans Ola Urstad u Srbiji je dugi niz godina, kao norveški ambasador u Beogradu od 2001, a poslednje dve godine na elu je Misije OEBS-a najpre u SCG a onda u Srbiji. Kao šef misije, njegov posao ovde je da pomogne u izgradnji nezavisnih i delotvornih demokratskih institucija, posebno u oblasti vladavine prava, ljudskih prava, medija, policije, ekonomije i životne sredine.
Tema intervjua s ambasadorom bila je korupcija. Zamoljen da prokomentariše stanje u ve ini antikorupcijskih institucija koje se suo avaju sa velikim problemima u radu, odnosno sa manjkom osnovnih sredstava, Hans Ola Urstad objašnjava da je klju na stvar politi ka volja koja omogu ava osnivanje jakih i nezavisnih institucije za borbu protiv korupcije. „Veliki broj institucija u regionu suo ava se sa manje ili više sli nim problemima, nemanjem adekvatnog statusa, manjkom finansija, nedovoljnim brojem zaposlenih, ili sa zavisnosti od politi kih odluka. Neke od tih institucija nedavno su osnovane, neke su promenile status i postale deo ministarstava, u nekim zemljama uloga Komisije ja a je od uloge Uprave za javne nabavke, itd. Ali, ve ina ovih tela, bez obzira na teško e sa kojima se suo ava, nastavlja da vredno radi i ulaže napore u uspostavljanje i primenu mehanizama za borbu protiv korupcije“.
„VREME“: U nekim od antikorupcijskih institucija koje imaju taj problem sa nedostatkom osoblja kažu da oni koji su kvalifikovani ne e da rade za tako malo novca jer se na ovim poslovima trpe pritisci.
U pravu ste, ali ovo nije jedino polje u kojem imamo problem s platama, naro ito u javnom sektoru. Tako e, to nije samo problem Srbije, ima ga i u mojoj državi. Tamo nema nezaposlenih i svi traže kvalifikovanu radnu snagu. Zato privatne kompanije uvek pla aju više nego država. U ove institucije ljudi do u, i odu posle godinu ili dve jer na drugim mestima mogu da zarade ponekad i duplo više.
A posao u ovim institucijama je težak.
Jeste, zato što ste stalno izloženi kritikama i politi kom pritisku. Kako biste ocenili taj odnos srpskih vlasti prema antikorupcijskim institucijama, prema Upravi za javne nabavke, Komisiji za zaštitu prava ponu a a, Republi kom Povereniku za informacije od javnog zna aja i Ombudsmanu.
U Srbiji postoji oko 12.000 naru ilaca, tako da su dovoljan broj zaposlenih u Upravi za javne nabavke i Komisiji za zaštitu prava i adekvatne prostorije od presudnog zna aja za njihov rad. Misija pruža podršku Upravi i Komisiji od njihovog osnivanja, na primer, kroz savet i pomo u procesu izrade zakona, pri ja anju njihovih kapaciteta, kroz organizovanje regionalnih sastanaka tela za javne nabavke, itd.
Prošlogodišnje imenovanje Ombudsmana ponudilo je Srbiji dodatnu mogu nost da se efikasno bori protiv korupcije. Iako Zaštitnik gra ana nema poseban mandat u vezi sa ovim pitanjem, njegov rad usmeren protiv lošeg upravljanja može da bude od velike pomo i u smanjenju broja pukotina u sistemu koje su dovele do toga da se korupcija proširi u tako velikom stepenu. Loše upravljanje predstavlja plodno tlo za korupciju. Ako ovu mogu nost želimo da preto imo u konkretne rezultate, onda moramo Ombudsmanu da obezbedimo sredstva za to, po evši od ljudskih resursa. Dozvolite mi da u tom smislu naglasim da je rok za imenovanje Zamenika Ombudsmana istekao 20. decembra 2007. godine, a da ih Narodna Skupština još uvek nije postavila na funkciju. Naša Misija trenutno je glavni partner Zaštitniku gra ana u izgra ivanju kapaciteta njegove kancelarije.
Odnos izme u vlasti u Srbiji i Poverenika za informacije od javnog zna aja može da se posmatra iz dva ugla. Narodna skupština Republike Srbije poslala je jasan signal dobre volje kada je, usvajanjem Zakona o slobodnom pristupu informacijama od javnog zna aja, uspostavila neophodne preduslove za osnivanje ove važne institucije. Sa druge strane, mnoga istraživanja, uklju uju i i ona sprovedena od strane Misije OEBS-a, o pitanjima vezanim za slobodan pristup informacijama otkrila su niz problema u primeni ovog zakona, a naro ito Poverenikovih odluka. Još jedan problem sa kojim se Poverenik suo ava je manjak kapaciteta za efikasniji rad i dalji razvoj ove institucije. Pre svega, ovo se odnosi na pitanje manjka kancelarijskog prostora, koje bi trebalo rešiti što pre. Ovo usporava proces zapošljavanja novih ljudi i unapre enje funkcionisanja ove institucije. Poverenik je dobar primer pristupa vlasti u Srbiji prema takozvanoj „ etvrtoj polugi mo i“, ali instucije poput Ombudsmana, Saveta za borbu protiv korupcije i ostalih anti-korupcijskih tela suo avaju se sa sli nim problemima.
Šta onda možemo izdvojiti kao najve i problem: da li je to nedostatak volje države da podrži rad ovih institucija, nisu dobri propisi...
Ne bih optužio državu za sve. Svuda je potreban novac, a njega ima u odre enoj kolii ini. Koliko e država dati socijalnom sektoru gde postoje ogromne potrebe, ili bolnicama ili nekim drugim sektorima, to je uvekvelika politi ka dilema. Nije u pitanju nevoljnost, neka od ministarstava su veoma posve ena saradnji s antikorupcijskim ustanovama. Ima li OEBS problem sa državnim institucijama?
Imamo veoma dobru saradnju sa gotovo svima. Možemo da se sastanemo sa ministrima kad god nam je to potrebno, esto svake ili svake druge nedelje. To su na primer ministar pravde, unutrašnjih poslova, i drugi.
Kakva je Vaša procena sprovo enja javnih nabavki u Srbiji?
Od kako je uspostavljen 2002. godine, on je u procesu stalnog unapre enja. Vlada je nedavno usvojila nacrt Zakona o javnim nabavkama koji treba da bude predstavljen Skupštini. Ovaj nacrt zakona uvodi bolju odgovornost i transparentnost sistema javnih nabavki, uz pomo efikasnije zaštite prava. Komisija za zaštitu prava unapre ena je do statusa nezavisnog, odgovornog tela. lanove Komisije postavlja direktno Narodna Skupština, a na odluke Komisije može se uložiti žalba kroz postupak pred upravnim sudom. Po zakonu iz 2002. godine, Komisija je deo Uprave za javne nabavke, lanove postavlja Vlada, a na njene odluke ne može se uložiti žalba. Položaj Komisije predvi en nacrtom novog zakona u skladu je sa Direktivama Evropske Unije o javnim nabavkama.
Uloga Uprave za javne nabavke tako e je unapre ena. Novi zakon uvodi institut Ovlaš enog lica za javne nabavke, iji je zadatak da obavlja aktivnosti javne nabavke kod naru ilaca. Ovo je u skladu sa preporukom iz izveštaja Grupe GRECO (Grupa Država protiv korupcije) o Republici Srbiji iz 2006. godine, koji je istakao važnost odgovaraju e obuke za državne službenike koji su uklju eni u proces javnih nabavki, što e stvoriti osnovu za ve i stepen profesionalizma i smanjenje broja nepravilnosti. Istovremeno, rizik od korupcije bi u znatnoj meri bio umanjen samim tim što bi zaposleni u Upravi za javne nabavke bili kompetentniji i nezavisniji. Uz to, novi sistem obuke, koji je usaglašen sa standardima Evropske Unije, predstavljao bi osnovu za uspostavljanje sistema stru nog razvoja zaposlenih u javnim nabavkama na osnovu njihovog u inka.
Tek nedavno dobili smo Državnu revizorku instituciju. Koliko je njen zna aj u borbi protiv korupcije?
Sistem spoljne revizije državnih finansija je fundamentalan i neophodan, iako ne i dovoljan, element u prevenciji korupcije. Upravljanje javnim sredstvima reguliše se nizom pravila iji je cilj da osiguraju efikasnost, ispravnost, transparentnost i poštovanje javnih interesa. Me utim, kao i uvek, postoji potreba za mehanizmom koji e kontrolisati da li se ta pravila efikasno poštuju. Revizija je upravo aktivnost koja ima za cilj redovno ispitivanje i nadgledanje usaglašenosti sa pravilima. Od presudnog je zna aja da ovu aktivnost izvršava spoljno i nezavisno državno telo.
Skupština Republike Srbije usvojila je Zakon o državnoj revizorskoj instituciji 2005. godine. lanovi Saveta ove institucije imenovani su u septembru 2007. godine, više od godinu dana po isteku zakonskog roka. Srbije je bila jedina država u Evropi bez državne revizorske institucije. Uloga ove institucije je da obavlja spoljnu reviziju trošenja sredstava iz državnog budžeta, tako što e Skupštini omogu iti da vrši nadzor nad planiranjem i trošenjem državnih budžetskih sredstava i poslovanjem agencija koje se finansiraju iz javnih sredstava. Ova spoljna kontrola je komplementarna sa unutrašnjom kontrolom budžeta koju obavlja Ministarstvo finansija.
Kao vrhovno telo za reviziju javnih sredstava Republike Srbije, Državna revizorska institucija e doprineti borbi protiv korupcije kroz obavljanje dodatne kontrole planiranja i potrošnje javnih sredstava. Sada, dok je još uvek na po etku svog rada, ova institucija se suo ava sa istim problemima kao i sve druge institucije za borbu protiv korupcije, a to su manjak sredstava za operativni rad, neadekvatne radne prostorije i manjak kvalifikovanog kadra, što su ujedno i glavne pretpostavke za nezavisni i autonomni status.
U kojoj oblasti su problemi naro ito izraženi, gde je korupcija najprisutnija?
Bez obzira na to u kojoj oblasti su problemi u vezi sa korupcijom najizraženijij, Srbija mora da ima nezavisne institucije koje e se boriti protiv korupcije na svim nivoima. Sve tri grane vlasti - zakonodavna, izvršna i pravosudna treba da doprinose borbi protiv korupcije. Srbija je usvojila Nacionalnu strategiju za borbu protiv korupcije u decembru 2005. godine, Vlada je usvojila Akcioni Plan za sprovo enje Strategije u decembru 2006. godine i ovi dokumenti predstavljaju solidan i održiv pravni okvir za borbu protiv korupcije.
Kako ocenjujete saradnju OEBS-a i vlade Republike Srbije i njenih tela?
Naša Misija ima veoma dobru saradnju sa Vladom, Skupštinom i drugim institucijama Republike Srbije, jer imamo zajedni ki cilj - promovisanje demokratizacije, tolerancije i vladavine prava u raznim segmentima društva.
Na koji na in Misija OEBS u Srbiji pruža pomo u borbi protiv korupcije i gde je najviše ima?
Oblast u kojoj najviše pružamo pomo je zakonodavna aktivnost, što zna i pomo i ekspertiza vlastima Republike Srbije u procesu izrade zakona, podržavamo napore doma ih institucija da poboljšaju efikasnost, kvalitet i pravi nost zakona i propisa u Srbiji, pružamo podršku u izgra ivanju kapaciteta institucija za borbu protiv korupcije (Uprava za javne nabavke, Komisija za zaštitu prava, Republi ki Odbor za rešavanje o sukobu interesa, itd), organizujemo seminare obuke na lokalnom nivou, unapre ujemo regionalnu saradnju i razmenu iskustava izme u tela iji je zadatak borba protiv korupcije, pružamo podršku kampanjama za podizanje nivoa svesti zajedno sa nevladinim sektorom, prevodimo i objavljujemo knjige na temu korupcije, itd.
Šta su najvažniji ciljevi u narednom periodu u Srbiji koje treba posti i u borbi protiv korupcije?
Pre svega, potrebno je dovršiti neophodni okvir za postoje e institucije za borbu protiv korupcije i obezbediti sredstva koja e im omogu iti da zaista obavljaju svoju ulogu i sprovode svoj mandat. Ovo podrazumeva dovoljno finansijskih sredstava, adekvatne prostorije za rad i kvalifikovani kadar.
Usvajanje zakona o uspostavljanju tela za borbu protiv korupcije, što je obaveza koja proizilazi iz Nacionalne strategije za borbu protiv korupcije, treba da bude sprovedeno u delo. Kao što sam napomenuo ranije, neophodno je obezbediti odgovaraju u podršku i dovoljno sredstava, kako bi se sprovele zakonske obaveze.
Misija OEBS-a spremna je da nastavi sa pružanjem podrške Srbiji i njenim institucijama u postizanju ovih ciljeva i sprovo enju njihovih odgovornih mandata.
Koji su najve i uspesi Misije OEBS u ovoj oblasti u 2007. godini?
Kako bi doprinela boljem sprovo enju sistema javnih nabavki u Srbiji, Misija je, zajedno sa Upravom za javne nabavke, organizovala pilot projekat pod nazivom “Podizanje nivoa stru nosti u javnim nabavkama u Srbiji: Uvo enje sertifikacionog sistema u postupke javnih nabavki”. Projekat je zasnovan na evropskim standardima i praksi. U ovom trenutku, u Srbiji ne postoji redovan sistem obuke u oblasti javnih nabavki. To otvara prostor za nepravilnu primenu Zakona o javnim nabavkama i pove ava stepen zavisnosti zaposlenih u javnim nabavkama od politike.
Zaposleni u javnim nabavkama nisu imali odgovaraju u obuku, niti sertifikate koji bi ih kvalifikovali za mesta u jedinicama sistema javnih nabavki. Rezultat ovoga bila je esta promena zaposlenih. Istovremeno, rizik od korupcije se u znatnoj meri umanjuje time što su zaposleni kompetentniji i nezavisniji. Uz to, cilj novog sistema obuke usaglašenog sa evropskim standardima je da posluži kao model predvi en novim Zakonom o javnim nabavkama i kao osnova za uspostavljanje sistema za profesionalni razvoj zaposlenih koji se bazira na u inku, a ne na lojalnosti prema pretpostavljenima.
Uprava za javne nabavke inicirala je proces uspostavljanja standardizovanog, me unarodno usaglašenog programa obuke inovnika iz javnih nabavki u Srbiji, kao prvi korak ka uvo enju profesionalizma u ovoj oblasti. Seminar je imao tri nivoa (modula): M1 (osnovni), M2 (srednji) i M3 (viši). Seminar je poha alo oko 60 polaznika- predstavnika naru ilaca.
Verujemo da je uspeh ovog pilot projekta doprineo uvo enju stru nih kriterijuma za inovnike u javnim nabavkama, kao što predvi a gore opisani Nacrt Zakona o javnim nabavkama.
Govorili ste o uspesima. Gde su problemi s kojim se vi suo avate u radu ovde?
Teško je ista i šta nismo uradili. Imamo ograni ena sredstva i 175 zaposlenih. Postoje oblasti u kojima smo mogli da imamo više uspeha, kao što je oblast medija. Oni možda još uvek nisu tamo gde bi trebalo da budu. Kritikovali smo mnoge medije, na primer zbog objavljivanja nekih grotesknih fotografija koje prelaze granicu pristojnosti. Da li su naši napori u toj oblasti imali efekta, može se raspravljati. U sektoru vladavine prava imamo stabilan napredak zahvaljuju i dobroj saradnji s ministarstvom pravde. Tako e, gotovo svakodnevno veoma blisko sara ujemo s policijom, pre svega u oblasti obrazovanja.
To je sigurno težak posao u Srbiji s obzirom na prošlost.
Jeste, ali smo veoma zadovoljni reakcijom na obrazovanje koje dobijaju. Sada imamo tri nove forenzi ke laboratorije, u Nišu, Novom Sadu i Beogradu opremljene najsavremenijim ure ajima koji im olakšavaju osu ivanje kriminalaca jer mogu da do u do boljih dokaza. Policija je vrlo voljna da sara uje. U doba Miloševi eve vladavine nedostajala je ta volja za obrazovanjem i saradnjom.
Kako ocenjujete propise odnosno zakone u Srbiji, da li su oni u ovom momentu dobri?
Ovo je i dalje država u tranziciji, i mnogo šta treba promeniti i uraditi u mnogim sektorima, ali je svakako na putu da ustanovi praksu koju bismo mi voleli da vidimo. Imamo još puno posla, ali radimo zajedno s Vladom, radimo šta možemo i koliko možemo jer imamo ograni eni vremenski rok boravka u Srbiji. Kada to vreme istakne, mi emo oti i.
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