Televizioni Klan, 10 maj 2003
Interviste e Kryetarit te Prezences se OSBE-se ne Shqiperi, Ambasadorit Osmo Lipponen Nga Ornela Bego
OSBE ka tashmë një rol të ri në Shqipëri dhe riorientimi i aktivitetit të saj ka qenë i sukseshëm dhe i dobishëm për vendin. Kështu është shprehur kreu i prezencës së OSBE-së në Shqipëri, Osmo Lipponen, në një intervistë për televizionin Klan, duke kundërshtuar kështu zërat që kërkojnë largimin e këtij misioni nga Shqipëria. Ai ka shpjeguar ecurinë e bisedimeve për ndërmjetësinë më të fundit që OSBE ka marrë përsipër, gjetjen e konsensusit me të gjitha palët për ligjin e pronave. Ambasadori Lipponen tregon gjithashtu se OSBE ka përgatitur një tjetër raport për Shqipërinë, i cili do të bëhet publik në fillim të muajit qershor.
• Megjithe perpjekjet e OSBE-se me komisionin parlamentar dypalesh, procesi ka ngecur tek ceshtja e anetarit te shtate te Komisionit Qendror te Zgjedhjeve, gje ka bllokuar, gjithashtu, zevendesimin e anetareve qe u ka mbaruar mandati. Si mendoni ju se mund te zgjidhet ky problem dhe a do te nderhyje OSBE-ja perseri?
Une jam i sigurte se problemet qe kane mbetur do te zgjidhen permes negociatave dhe jam, gjithashtu, i sigurte se ne do te kemi perseri nje rol ne lehtesimin e ketij procesi dhe gjetjen e zgjidhjeve te nevojshme. Ne po e ndjekim situaten nga afer dhe jemi ne mes te disa proceseve qe presim te zhvillohen me tej.
• A do te perfshihet perseri OSBE-ja ketu?
Ndoshta po, por mund te perfshihesh vetem nese te kerkohet kjo gje dhe duket se edhe qeveria edhe opozita jane shume te kenaqur me rolin tone dhe po na ftojne te japim ndihmesen perseri per t’i dhene forme perfundimtare ketyre detajeve te vogla qe kane mbetur te hapura.
• OSBE-ja eshte angazhuar qe te negocioje per hartimin e nje ligji per pronat me konsensusin e te gjitha paleve. Si mendoni se mund te realizohet kjo? A i keni filluar negociatat?
Shume pune, urtesi politike dhe vullnet per kompromis do te nevojiten per te perfunduar kete detyre. Ne kemi filluar tashme me pjesen praktike te punes dhe jemi ne fazen e mbledhjes se te dhenave te tjera, krijimit te ekipit tone te eksperteve dhe perfundimin e kontakteve me te gjitha palet dhe qeverine. Une kam diskutuar kohet e fundit ne nivelet
1 me te larta politike lidhur me harten e rruges dhe lidhur me ate se si do procedojme. Eshte praktikisht njesoj me ate per te cilen kemi rene tashme dakort me kryetarin e Parlamentit, me disa modifikime te vogla, te cilat na jane dukur te nevojshme, pasi kemi marre komentet e para nga palet. Tani kemi kohe te mjaftueshme per ta perfunduar punen nga fundi i korrikut. Aktualisht, jemi ende duke hedhur themelet, te cilat perfshijne bisedime te tjera me grupe te ndryshme. Parlamenti do te beje me vone punen e tij dhe ne do te shohim me pas rezultatet perfundimtare. Une mendoj se ne dhe, para se gjithash, Parlamenti do te gjejme zgjidhje politike te mira, afatgjata dhe te drejta.
• A do te jete e veshtire kjo gje?
Sigurisht qe do te jete e veshtire, por une kam besim se do t’ia dalim.
• Raporti i fundit i OSBE-se ishte shume kritik ndaj zhvillimeve ne vend. A shihni you ndonje perparim? A do te dale OSBE-ja me ndonje raport tjeter per muajt e fundit?
Une do te thoja se raporti ishte shume konstruktiv dhe i drejte. Ai u mireprit, gjithashtu, nga qeveria. Nje nga bindjet e mija eshte se duhet te flasesh per faktet me terma reale. Problemet me te cilat perballet Shqiperia jane shume te medha dhe duhet ta pranojme qe ato nuk mund te zgjidhen sa hap e mbyll syte. Ato duan pune te vazhdueshme dhe afatgjate. Raporti yne i ardhshem do te paraqitet para Keshillit te Perhershem te Vienes ne fillim te qershorit.
• Cfare do te thuhet ne raport?
Eshte pak shpejt te thuhet se cfare do te thuhet ne te. Ai do te permbaje disa elemente positive, por do te vazhdoje me nje qendrim konstruktiv, positiv por edhe kritik.
• Cilat jane fushat per te cilat do te kete kritika?
Une mendoj se te jesh kritik, ne fakt, nuk do te thote kritike. Kjo do te thote se ne do t’i pranojme veshtiresite qe ekzistojne. Gjithashtu, do te na duhet te themi hapur nese ka patur perparime, nese perparimet kane qene te ngadalta etj. Por do te kthehesha tek ajo qe kam thene. Problemet jane te medha dhe eshte normale qe te presim te kemi veshtiresi. Po flasim per nje proces afatgjate, i cili kurdohere ka nevoje per nje shtyse perpara.
• Cili eshte opinioni juaj lidhur me krimin e organizuar dhe trafikimin, si dhe luften kunder tyre?
Krimi i organizuar, korrupsioni dhe trafikimi jane disa prej ceshtjeve te veshtira dhe te pafund qe vendi po perpiqet te zgjidhe. Ato jane aq te medha sa kerkojne perpjekje te metejshme te koordinuara te qeverise shqiptare dhe bashkesise nderkombetare. Kjo eshte e vetmja menyre per te arritur rezultate afatgjata.
2 • Si do ta vleresonit klimen politike ne vend pas deshtimit te marreveshjes midis Nanos dhe Berishes? A mendoni se do te ndikonte disi ne fushaten per zgjedhje vendore?
Duhet ta pranoj qe nuk jam dakort me ju. Edhe pse ka patur ulje dhe ngritje ne kete proces, une mendoj se kjo marreveshje eshte nje sukses i madh dhe arriti rezultatet kryesore qe deshironte. Ajo cka nuk eshte lavderuar sa duhet eshte qe se ajo solli, per here te pare ne nje kohe shume te gjate, negociata te verteta dhe elemente konsensuale ne politiken e ketij vendi, si dhe nje mirekuptim te nevojshem per te gjithe. Deri tani, e gjithe politika eshte etiketuar nga e ashtuquajtura te menduarit e “shumes zero”, gje qe eshte shume e demshme.
• Cfare mendoni lidhur me pergatitjet per zgjedhjet vendore? Sipas OSBE-se, a eshte gati infrastruktura zgjedhore?
Pergatitjet praktike kane filluar. Ato jane vetem ne fazen fillestare. Sic thuhet edhe ne media, hapat e pare per regjistrimin e votuesve jane hedhur. Ky eshte nje proces i gjate dhe i veshtire, per te cilin une besoj se bashkesia nderkombetare, dhe vecanerisht OSBE- ja dhe ODIHR- i, do te japin mbeshtetjen e tyre, ne menyre qe zgjedhjet te zhvillohen ne nje situate teknike perfekte.
• A mendoni se prania e OSBE-se eshte ende e nevojshme ne Shqiperi?
Une jam nje perkrahes i forte i ketij mendimi. Dhe, pa dyshim, nuk eshte vetem mendimi im qe ne kemi gjetur nje rol te ri; riorientimi i aktiviteteve tona ka qene shume i suksesshem dhe kemi qene te dobishem per kete vend. Dhe, nese i referohem opinionit te qeverise dhe politikaneve te ndryshem, te merkuren, kryeministri Nano me tha shume qarte se prania jone eshte shume e mirepritur ketu dhe se qeveria nuk po na tregon deren. Gjithashtu, kemi patur edhe mbeshtetje nga opozita. Keshtu qe mendoj se kjo eshte nje situate shume e mire dhe e shendetshme, ne te cilen ne mund te vazhdojme te punojme me mandatin tone dhe t’i sigurojme sherbime konstruktive Shqiperise.
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TV Klan , 10 May 2003
Interview with Head of the OSCE Presence in Albania, Ambassador Osmo Lipponen By Ornela Bego
Now the OSCE has a new role in Albania and the reorientation of its activities has been successful and useful to the country, said Ambassador Osmo Lipponen, Head of OSCE Presence in Albania, in an interview with Klan TV, opposing the rumours that ask for this mission to leave Albania. He explained the progress of the talks over the latest OSCE mediation in order to reach consensus by all parties on property law. Ambassador Lipponen also said that OSCE is preparing another report on Albania, which will be published at the beginning of June.
• Despite the efforts of the OSCE regarding the bipartisan commission, the process is blocked over the issue of the seventh member of the Central Election Commission, which has blocked also the replacement of the members whose mandate has expired. How do you think this problem can be solved and will the OSCE intervene again?
I am sure that the remaining problems can be solved through further negotiations and I am sure that we will have a further role in facilitating and finding the needed solutions. Actually, we have been following the situation and we have certain thought processes ready to evolve.
• Will the OSCE enter the process again at this point?
We probably will, but you can enter only if you are wanted and needed, and it looks like that both the government and the opposition are pretty happy with our role and are inviting us to facilitate again, to finalize these small details that have still remained open.
• OSCE has committed itself to negotiate in order to compile law on property upon the agreement of all parties. How do you think this could be accomplished? Have you begun the negotiations?
Hard work, political wisdom and the will to compromise will be needed for completing this task. We have already started with the practical work and are now in the process of collecting more data, composing our expert team and finalizing the networking with all interested parties and the government. I have recently discussed, with the highest political levels, the road map and how we should proceed. It is practically equal to what we have already agreed upon with the Speaker of the parliament, with small modifications, which we have found necessary after receiving the first comments by the parties. We now have enough time to try to finish the work by the end of July. Presently, we are still preparing
1 the basics. They include further negotiations with different groups. The parliament will later on be doing its own work and we will then see the final results. I believe that we, and first of all the parliament, will find and be responsible for good, lasting and fair political solutions.
• Will it be difficult?
Of cour se it will be difficult, but I believe we will manage.
• The last OSCE report was very critical on the events in the country. Do you see any progress in your remarks? Will OSCE have any other report on the last months?
I would say that the report was very constructive and fair. It was also welcomed by the Government. One of the basic approaches I have is that you have to speak about facts in real terms. The problems Albania is facing are enormous and one just has to admit that they could not be overcome overnight. They need constant, long term work, and they have to be recognized. Our next report will be presented before the OSCE Permanent Council in Vienna at the beginning of June.
• What will be the content of the report?
It is a bit too early to say what will be the content. It will have some positive elements, but it will also continue with a constructive, positive, but critical line.
• What are the critical areas?
I believe that being critical is not actually criticism. It means that we will recognize the difficulties. We also have to tell openly if there has been a progress made, if the progress has been slow, etc. But, I would go back to what I have said. The problems are big, and it is normal to expect difficulties. We are talking about a long-term process, which at all times needs a determined push forward.
• What is your opinion about organized crime and trafficking, and the fight against them?
Organized crime, corruption and trafficking are among the difficult, immense issues this country is trying to tackle. They are so huge that they require further intensive and co- ordinated efforts by the Albanian government and the international community. That is the only way to achieve the lasting results.
• How do you evaluate the political climate in the country after the agreement between Nano and Berisha failed? Do you think that it will somehow influence the local elections campaign?
I have to say that I disagree with you. Even though there have been ups and downs in this process, I think this agreement is a major success and it has achieved the main results it
2 aimed at achieving. The thing that has not been praised enough is that it has brought, for the first time in a very long time, real negotiation and consensual elements in the politics of this country, and an understanding that there can be a win-win situation. So far, all the politics has been labeled by the so-called ‘zero sum’ thinking, which is extremely harmful.
• What do you think about the preparations for the local elections? In OSCE opinion, is the electoral infrastructure ready?
The practical preparations have started. They are only in their initial stage. As the media have also learned, the first steps in the voter registration have been undertaken. This is a long and very demanding process, which I believe the international community, and especially the OSCE, the ODIHR, will be giving their support to, so that the elections occur in a technically perfect situation.
• Do you think that the presence of the OSCE is still needed in Albania?
I am strongly of that opinion. And, of course it is not only my personal thinking, that we have found a new role; the reorientation of our activities has been pretty successful and we have been helpful to the country. And, if I refer to the opinion of the government and various political actors, on Wednesday Prime Minister Nano made it very clear to me that our presence is very much welcome and the Government is by no means showing us the door. Also, we have had support from the leaders of the opposition. Thus, I think this is a very healthy and good situation, in which we can continue working with our mandate and providing our constructive services to Albania.
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